Modified:
06 Oct 2008
by Admin

Vote totals:

Yes:

43%

No:

57%

Neutral:

0%

 
Subscribe to Newsletter
Tell a Friend
(Use commas to separate)
Bookmark and Share
Subscribe to Debate

Join Mailing List

Key Links

Debatewise debate DEBATE: UNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE

With thousands more students graduating from university every year, Britain has more graduates than ever before, and it is becoming harder for potential employers to distinguish candidates by education alone, meaning a degree has less and less value in the workplace.





Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


A university degree has far less worth than it once did


Fifty years ago, a university degree was so much rarer than it is now. Having one immediately distinguished you from the competition when it came to starting a career. With so many graduates leaving university every year, the marketplace is becoming flooded, and those who really need to set themselves apart from the rest in their academic field are having to stay longer to do post-graduate courses. This means much higher debts upon graduation, and also means that they are older and have less ‘practical’ workplace experience than some others, giving them one possible disadvantage, even though they’ve gained another.

Distinctions can be still be made between those who entered university simply for a more ‘rounded’ education or as a stop gap before working full-time, and those who attended university for the sole purpose of furthering their career.
It is beneficial that a crowded marketplace means that people are having to stay on at university longer in order to gain more unique qualifications – this means that those in the top jobs have far more knowledge and education than they would have 50 years ago when further qualifications were not needed for distinction.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against

Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


With so many new universities and colleges, employers can’t tell the difference between the good and bad.


There are so many new universities and colleges opening to meet the huge and growing demand for higher education, that many employers have no idea how to distinguish the poorer institutions from the better ones (and sometimes fail to realise there is any difference at all). This leads them to believe that a candidate from Edinburgh University who has a 2.1 degree is the same as another from Oxford Brooks who holds the same level of degree. A call for greater distinction is not merely snobbery, but actually founded on fact – not only do the entry requirements for universities differ, but they also differ hugely in terms of the type and level of education they provide.
Scottish universities (particularly the Ancients which are St Andrews, Edinburgh and Glasgow) require an undergraduate to undertake a range of different subjects in the first two years in order to complete a degree, rather then focusing on just one. Thus a student leaves university with a range of advanced disciplines, even though on paper, it seems as if they have the same education as those from an English university.

Employers don’t just consider an applicant’s educational background, but increasingly look at vocational experience and extra-curricular activities (admittedly this may be largely to do with the fact that there are simply so many applicants with very similar degrees and educational backgrounds)
Those who have prior work experience in their chosen field or who can demonstrate relevant work-place skills in other ways will often have the edge over someone with a degree.
Employers are not too busy to be au fait with university rankings, such as the Times’ list, or to remember that the Russell group tends to be the best universities, especially when they have dedicated HR departments as the larger employers do.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against

Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


Many don’t ‘use’ their degree after graduating, yet still end up in huge debt


Because the government’s drive to see 50% of the young population through university over the next 10 years (Tony Blair, 2003) many young people take the step of higher education to please their parents, keep up with their peers, or simply because they don’t want to start thinking about a career and full time employment.
The result of this is that more students drop out of university before completing their qualification than ever before because they took it for the wrong reasons, and yet still end up in debt.

That is their prerogative. No one forces people to go into higher education, and the financial risks are clear from the outset. Young people should be free to make the decision about university study for themselves, not have an authoritarian state tell them who can and can’t receive the great benefits (beside academic) that a university education provides.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against

Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


There’s a national shortage of skilled labourers


The increase of university goers over the past decade or so means that fewer and fewer people are learning skilled trades such as those of an electrician, plumber, carpenter, joiner or builder. As a result there is a national shortage. Many labourers are having to be employed from overseas, and while this in itself is not a problem, it does show a lack of diversity in Britain. This can often produce a shortage of labourers in other countries (for example Poland) making the problem more widespread.

There’s also a shortage of doctors, social workers, teachers, and other academic specialists that require a university education. Reducing the number of university students through more rigorous selection would not necessarily solve either of these problems. Instead, there should be more enticing financial and advancement incentives for both academic and skilled labour jobs that are lacking in demand.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against

Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


Many don’t ‘use’ their degree after graduating, yet still end up in huge debt


When filling in their UCAS form, the average 17 year old will inevitably deliberate over which University to go to; which course is going to be the most interesting and where they going to have the most fun (not necessarily in that order). In general, very little time will be spent thinking about exactly what job they will be qualified to do at the end of the three years and whether any jobs will in fact be available.
Universities are more and more frequently departing from traditional career orientated subjects such as accountancy, medicine and law. Instead they are focusing their marketing efforts on attracting new students with unusual subjects such as ‘American Studies’ or a degree combining two subjects of your choice; for example the interesting combination of ‘Dance and Journalism’. These options may well be appealing at first sight but after three years of studying these in depth, students can often find themselves saddled with a large amount of debt and few transferable skills. Having personally known two individuals who actually undertook the above courses, I can tell you that the first person is now living in America, as this is the only place where American Studies is any advantage. The other is in the business of repossessing homes, having found it extremely difficult to secure a job as a singing/dancing journalist!
The experience of University is invaluable and there is undoubtedly much more to be gained beyond the piece of paper handed over upon graduation. However, it should be borne in mind that the main objective of a degree is to provide an individual with the skills and specialist knowledge to financially support themselves and build a career in the future. It should not be possible for an individual to invest three years or more of their time and money into a University education and remain unable to secure a job they desire at the end of it.



Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


Selective education leads to an unfair bias towards the rich and the middle classes


More selective higher education does not have to mean that it selects on the basis of social or financial background. It means selecting on the basis of academic achievement and potential. This would not have the negative effects on the lower classes as it once did, as this would be undesirable for everybody.

If more selective higher education were to happen, we would revert back to 50 years ago where hardly anyone from a working class background had the chance to go to university because of social prejudice and a lower income than the middle classes.
This would lead in turn to those from middle class backgrounds being favoured by employers as they would be more likely to have a university education, and the lower classes would be stuck with the unwanted, lower paid, manual labour.
We should do all we can to strive for a meritocratic society and not move backwards away from one.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against

Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


Students don’t always attend university simply for career advancement


There are plenty of other ways that young people can learn financial, social and career skills without spending thousands of pounds that will take them years to pay off.
There are youth services, career services and plenty of different apprenticeship programmes that teach these skills, and many others besides, and often fast track people into appropriate work environments.

Those who attend university often gain a lot more than simply attaining another qualification to help them in their career. Most undergraduate students have never lived away from home, so living in a safe, regulated university environment proves very helpful in making the adjustment between parental dependency and an independent life.
Students also often find themselves having to financially support themselves, at least in part, and this is invaluable for self-confidence and also imbues them with the basic skills needed in later working life.
Reducing the amount of students attending universities would also reduce the amount of young people with these social and financial skills, and unless other institutions are set up in place of universities to provide these skills, there is more to be lost than gained in making them more selective.


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against

Debatewise debateUNIVERSITY EDUCATION NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AND MORE SELECTIVE


Wide university education produces a literate, multi-skilled and widely knowledgeable nation


Quite apart from the fact that the nation also needs to learn more practical skills (which one cannot learn through most university educations), there are many ways in which one can become culturally aware, widely read and more ‘artistic’ without the long years and large debt of a university education.
The British media has improved so much and become so diverse that there are many high quality documentaries that have brought a wider education to those with interest outside university. Libraries, evening classes, and the internet can provide all the education one could want to those with a specific interest but with no real urge for a degree or career in that field.
If self-education were promoted more in this manner, and university was kept separate for those who wanted to learn for career advancement rather than education for education’s sake, then thousands of young people would be more financially and vocationally secure.

The more people who attend university, the more widely read the nation becomes, and the more culturally diverse. It is important for young people to be widely read and educated in order to enhance their artistic and cultural appreciation. Where else can one get this if not university?


What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against
Strongly Agree Against
Absolutely Agree Against


Vote on the overall debate: University education needs to be capped and more selective

What do you think?  Vote on this point below.
Absolutely Agree For
Strongly Agree For
Mostly Agree For
Partially Agree For
Neutral
Partially Agree Against
Mostly Agree Against