Vote totals:
Yes:
71%
No:
21%
Neutral:
7%
DEBATE: ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
It will cost £19bn or more
Acccording to the London School of Ecomomic’s upper estimate the ID scheme will cost £19.2 billion to set up over its first ten years [see http://identityproject.lse.ac.uk/ for full report and latest information].
The Home Office – while keeping all its workings secret – has admitted that its estimate doesn’t account for the cost to other government departments, public bodies, businesses, banks and employers who will have to absorb the cost of integrating ID checks into their systems and processes – which could easily top another £10bn or more. All these additional costs will either be picked up by the taxpayer (i.e. you) or passed onto the consumer (i.e. you).
The direct cost to the individual will be far greater than the "£93" that the government says it will charge you for a passport and ID card ‘package’ (ID registration will be compulsory when you apply for or renew your passport), or "£30" ‘standalone’ card.
If you lose your card or it is stolen you will have to pay for a replacement. If any detail on the card or your record is incorrect you will have to pay to get it changed – or be fined £1000. You will have to pay to be re-issued a card every 10 years, and will bear the cost of travelling to your nearest ‘enrolment’ centre to be fingerprinted or have your eyes scanned. Every time your details are checked against the ID database, the government will make a charge – which will, inevitably, be passed on to you.
Current government statements and requests for supplier ‘expressions of interest’ put the cost of setting up the ‘National Identity Scheme’ (which now explicitly includes biometric visas & eBorders) at £7.5 billion, up from the £1.3 – 3.1bn it was originally supposed to cost. The Home Office admits to having spent over £72 million already, and it hasn’t yet issued a single ‘ID card’ contract or specification.
Terrorism costs the country much, much, more. The money spent on an ID card will be more than recouped in the financial savings of prevented terrorist attacts and the emotional benefits of knowing we are safer.
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
ID cards will lead to increased discrimination
Research in Europe shows that in countries where ID cards exist, people from ethnic minorities are much more likely to stopped by police and asked to produce their card.
Without getting into the whole ‘racial profiling’ debate perhaps the reason they are stopped is becuase they are more likely to commit crime? Christians aren’t blowing up discos, Muslims are. Doesn’t it make sense to allocate scarce resources on trying to catch the people behind the crimes rather on some misguided sense of fair play?
Discrimination inevitably takes place already. Young black males have for a long time been more likely to be stopped and searched. They are also more likely to be carrying knives or guns than other communities. There is no reason to think ID cards will have any extra effect.
Besides, if our police are racist, we should address the root cause of this problem rather than do away with any measures (like ID cards) that draw attention to it.
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
It will turn into another expensive IT fiasco
The government in general and the Home Office in particular, have an appalling track record when it comes to large-scale IT projects. New systems at the Post Office, Passport Office, Probation Service, Police Service, Courts Service and Child Support Agency have all run massively over budget. The ID cards scheme would be the most ambitious and expensive public sector IT project ever undertaken. It has all the hallmarks of a disaster waiting to happen: no-one has spelt out what the cards are for and how they will achieve their objectives; it has been proposed in response to political events (notably 9/11) rather than a sober assessment of costs and benefits; building the system is complex and massively expensive; the cost estimates are vague and incomplete; and the project is reliant on new and untested technology
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
We do not have a written constitution
This means the government can get away with expanding the uses of the card and lowering the safeguards on data sharing. The relationship between the state and the citizen is not properly defined in law. Every other country that has a system of compulsory identity cards also has a written constitution. We will be passing a law on the understanding that this government will not use the system to spy on its citizens or restrict civil liberties – even if that were is true, can we be so trusting of future governments?
The identity register will hold only basic details, but it will include a record of every time the individual uses the card, quickly building up an accurate picture of our lives which will be available to the government in a range of circumstances. This means that a future government could easily use the scheme to monitor individuals or specific groups, and restrict their entitlement to services. The Bill also allows the Home Secretary to expand the scope of the register by order. This is open to abuse. When ID cards were introduced in 1939 it was for 3 stated purposes: conscription, national security and rationing. By 1950, an audit found that this had expanded to 39 stated purposes. The risk of ‘function creep’ is very real
We might not have a written constitution but the checks and balances we have in place will ensure the government is held to account.
There is a real risk of ‘function creep’ with every power vested in government. With a sufficient majority, government could pass all sorts of insidious bills; the reason we don’t do away with government altogether is that a) their passing insidious bills is unlikely, especially given the checks and balances in place, and b) the advantages of having government far outweigh the risks.
This is the approach we should take to ID cards – saying that a future government ‘could’ use them against the population isn’t a strong enough argument. Incidentally, what were the 36 additional purposes?
Does the Bill allow the Home Secretary i) to widen the scope of data collection or ii) to widen this scope and introduce new restrictions based on this new data? If it’s just the former, this doesn’t seem much to worry about.
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
A unique ID number will increase ‘identity fraud’
As has been the experience in the US (where they use the SSID) and Australia (where they use the tax number), using a single ID number for a whole range of transactions actually increases ‘identity fraud’. Criminals are more easily able to discover and link together seperate pieces of information, facilitiating fraud and eroding privacy.
The card itself is only the tip of the iceberg. A single number (the ‘National Identity Register Number’ or NIRN) will, over time, be used to index and link together every record that the government – and potentially others – hold on you. Every use (when, where, with whom) of your card or check on the ID database will be recorded, creating an unprecedentedly detailed picture of your life.
I accept that there is a danger of more ID fraud. Fraudsters will target the best source of data. But they already do! Hence the importance now of protecting credit card data etc.
We now live in the computer age and cannot turn the clock back. Making data more difficult to collect simply increases the social costs we all pay. Instead we need to concentrate on legal protection legislation and active improvement of data security. This will never be perfect but it is more effective than trying to stop the further collection and use of data.
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
ID Cards will not protect us from terrorism and crime!
The men responsible for the Madrids bombings all carried valid ID cards. Those who murdered fifty-two innocent people in London on the 7th July 2005 made an attempt to save their identities; they wanted to hide their intent. Even the Home Secretary who pioneerd this sceme, David Blunkett, has admitted that ID cards will not stop a determined terrorist.
The proposed mechanism to ‘stop terrorism’ through the use of ID cards is obscure and illogical – not that dissimilar to that which suggests that increased surveillance will decrease crime, yet British crime rates remain rather high as compared to our European counterparts, who are not photographed quite so often on a daily basis. The idea that ID cards and a biometric database are a reliable means of storing data is completely flawed – nothing is "forgery-proof", as criminal organisations will so kindly demonstrate once the cards are inevitably issued. Once a means of forgery has been developed, the cards will be rendered an expensive and entirely useless exercise in data collection, and a prospective ‘terrorist’ may change his identity at will. It is also worth noting that many people hold dual identities for entirely innocuous reasons – women who keep their maiden names for business purposes, for example, or perhaps transgender individuals, both of whom are living within the law. ID cards will only serve to render these people as ‘suspicious’ individuals.
As for monitoring football hooligans more efficiently, the purpose of passports is to serve as a travel document, and a highly expensive ID card operation does not seem to be a method of improving upon this efficiently.
Terrorists and criminals are known to use false and multiple identities to disguise their activities, avoid detection and ‘launder’ money.
The ‘biographical footprint’ check will make it extremely difficult to register with the National Identity Scheme under a false identity, and the scheme will not allow people to register more than once as their biometric data would be detected. While the National Identity Scheme cannot prevent terrorism, it can make it far more difficult for terrorists to conceal their identity.
The scheme will help the security services in their investigations into organised crime and terrorist activities and help protect the UK against threats to national security.
The National Identity Scheme can also be used by the police and security services for identification. For example, any fingerprints found at the scene of a crime (including unsolved crimes) that do not match existing police records could be identified by searching for a match in the biometric data held on the National Identity Register (NIR). This will greatly speed up investigations and may even lead to the identification of people involved in previously unsolved crimes.
ID Cards can also be an important tool in the fight against hooliganism in professional football events. Hooligans/Ultras can be easier identified and either prevented from traveling to football events or from attending them.
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
Your data will not be secure and private
Your National Identity Register entry will have over fifty pieces of information about you. Government officials in numerous different departments will have acces to it. So will employess of the private forms the government will pay manage the information
Identity managemnt is key. With a single robust source of identification for the individual it should make it easier to effectively manage. True any major cock up will have a significant impace but it should be easier to prevent, be more visible when it ahppens and per person easier to rectify
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
No need for more red tape
Another way of restricting our freedom of movement and choice People are getting fed up with us living in a NANNY STATE.
Allowing the governement to fingerprint and monitor us in this way severely restricts our freedom of movement. Also, do we trust our government with this information? I don’t want George Bush getting his hands on my personal details!!
You could say that, rather than living in a nanny state we are living in a TESCO STATE. I wonder how many people worried about giving away their personal details own a whole clutch of loyalty cards – which record much more personal information than you would ever be asked to give to the government.
ID CARDS AND THE NATIONAL IDENTITY REGISTER SHOULD BE SCRAPPED
The UK is a liberal society and unused to ID cards
Unlike other European cards the UK does not require it’s citizens to carry ID cards or indeed to prove their ID when asked by police officer on the street. The situation is different in countries such as Germany, where the relationship between the citizen and the state, legally, is different.
Such an imposition is likely to cause a backlash against the the government and the ID card scheme as a whole.
Yes and unlike European cities the UK is descending into the grip of yob culture. Binge drinking and aggressive antisocial behaviour make our cities and towns virtual no-go areas at the weekend. People are too afraid to intervene for fear of attack with knife or gun – the dangers we face are not from international terrorists but from our own indisciplined and disrespectful youths. High time we joined Europe and required all our citizens to carry ID – and change the law requiring people to cooperate with police officers.